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From: "James L. Owens" <>
Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] 1907 Newspaper Articles Re Evers ,Dorgo, Rasfull
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:42:28 -0500
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Joyce,

Keep at it. First, the past is a different country. What we expect today
was, perhaps, very different one hundred years ago. As far as the
Irish/Italian thing goes I went to school if the 6th and part of the 7th
grade in what had been an old Irish spinning mill town in North Jersey
lately invaded by many Italians and Sicilians. They, the Italians, were
agressive and combative and from a very young age would mob the Irish lads.
One of my brothers classmates, in the fourth grade, got into a dispute over
a game of marbles on the Catholic school ground, and was stabbed a dozen
times by his Italian opponent. He nearly died.

We learned never to go anywhere unless there were three of us.

This isn't a matter of prejudice, it is a matter of fact. Full disclosure: I
have many Italian friends and my godfather was a first generation Italian
from Genoa. But it wasn't that way where I was in 1937.

Jim Owens



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Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] 1907 Newspaper Articles Re Evers ,
Dorgo,Rasfull


> Hi All
> The reason I give the ethnicity is because one of the main reasons people
> come to this website, myself included, is to search for their ancestors
> that
> lived in Troy. They might only have a nationality and a name to go by, or
> a
> street, or a place of employment. I try to give any info that would help
> identify their relatives. The current Record reporter actually addressed
> the issue
> of identifying nationalities in the paper and said that in the early
> 1900's
> the spelling of ethnic names was sometimes dubious and thought the
> nationality
> might help.
> He also said this is the kind of reporting that was done in the early
> 1900's. These articles are from 100 years ago-things change ,including
> styles of
> reporting.
>
> The reason I include the murders,assaults-the bad news- is because our
> relatives are what they are. In researching my background so far I found a
> cousin
> in Texas who was an outlaw-Black Jack Ketchum-who was hanged for murder.
> I
> also have General Ulysses S Grant as a cousin. The relatives are good and
> bad,
> and I would rather know who they were than not ever trace them.
>
> I am VERY grateful to the Troy Record for publishing these articles from
> 100
> years ago.From the many emails I get a lot of you are finding relatives or
> people you know in them. That's what this Irish website is all about -
> they
> are hard working and dedicated and they do a wonderful job.
> PS My husband and children are Italian-there is no intention to slur ANY
> nationality in these articles Joyce
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 10:41:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> writes: It is unfair to blame a race of people for
> the actions
> of a few. I had never heard Irish never cared for Italians or Syrians.I
> grew
> up in NJ and we all got along pretty well. Many of my friends were
> Italian-American. Perhaps the newspaper was amiss in mentioning the
> ethnicity of the
> persons involved.Lois in AZ
>
> (mailto:) wrote:you can see why the
> irish never cared for the syrian's and the italians.and especially hated
> annoying italian children.
>
>
>
>
>
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