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From: "Lynn" <>
Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:00 -0400
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It is interesting that you would mention the Methodist Church. My GG
randmother immigrated to this country as a widow with four daughters. They
were Methodists and I have been at sixes and sevens trying to get
information about them. I have asked Methodists active in their churches and
they looked at me as if they thought I was crazy. I saw a notation in a book
that at some time in Irish history the Methodists and the Presbyterians were
persecuted in Ireland. This was a big surprise to me and that is the only
reference I have ever seen of such persecution. I suspect that it was not
from Catholics because at that time they were busy fleeing religious
persecution themselves.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rebecca Rector" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials


> Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we finish the Catholic
> Churches, it would be nice to do some of the Protestant Churches also.
> Many
> Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I have been computerizing
> the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church (at Historical
> Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish names, especially in the
> later
> records (1880's).
> There also may be other buildings, such as chapels etc. in the area that
> would have memorial windows. I am currently researching a family who had
> a
> memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned in 1904. I wonder
> what happened to those windows??
> Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials
>
>
>> You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) in Cohoes closed and moved
>> to
>> Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old church and now uses the
>> building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend the politicians who made
>> that possible. They were (of course) anxious to remove any signs of
>> Christian habitation and in doing so donated four panels of stained glass
>> windows to the new church. They did retain the Tiffany windows for
>> obvious
>> reasons. The new church paid to have the windows restored and mounted in
>> the new church. When researching the windows for insurance purposes we
>> discovered that they were the work of a man who survived the holocaust
>> (he
>> was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this country where he
>> eventually was commissioned to do windows in the National Cathedral in
>> Washington. That certainly upped the premium!
>>
>> My point is this; that I have always felt a sense of sadness and loss
>> when
>> I
>> see windows donated by people to honor their loved ones dumped along with
>> the churches that housed them. I think it would be great to try and get
>> some
>> laws on the books to insure that they do not just crumble and fall apart.
>> Certainly there are new churches that might want to inherit them and even
>> pay for the restoration and installation in their churches. I was
>> recently
>> in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the process of restoration) for
>> a
>> concert and it was sad to see how the windows had deteriorated and how
>> much
>> it was going to cost to have them restored. Is there any organization
>> that
>> concerns itself with preserving the donated windows? Even if they just
>> took
>> pictures and recorded the information it would be a way of honoring the
>> families who often sacrificed to donate a window in memory of their loved
>> ones. I think they thought it would a memorial for ever.
>>
>> Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told me that someone was
>> transcribing the records from St. Particks church in Cohoes (closed by
>> the
>> Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been able to track that down.
>> The
>> Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people are interested in
>> transcribing records of churches that are closing. It drives me crazy
>> when
>> trying to get information and being told that the records were burned in
>> a
>> fire (like some of military records kept by the government and census
>> records) or have been destroyed in some other kind of disaster. The more
>> places the records are kept the safer our heritage.
>> Anyway just a few thoughts.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials
>>
>>
>>> Bill
>>> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading the story about St
>>> Lawrence's
>>> church It Made me think... It would be a great idea to take photo's
>>> of
>>> the Churches and other historical buildings to help preserve the
>>> memory
>>> of
>>> them I remember St Lawrence's was a beautiful Church with Wooden
>>> Altars
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth dates, marriage dates,
>>> death
>>> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors record. What the individual
>>> did
>>> in
>>> life, what were the accomplishments, what sacrifices were made, I
>>> think
>>> add
>>> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and give us a better picture of that
>>> individual
>>> we never knew.
>>>
>>> If you look at the various TIGS projects on line, you will see that
>>> approximately seven of the current TIGS projects reflect this thinking.
>>> For example
>>> with the Alderman data base, we can observe that our ancestor was a
>>> Alderman
>>> year in and year out in a particular ward in Troy or with the Bank
>>> Officers
>>> data base we can see a lifetime of service in a particular Troy Bank.
>>> These
>>> little details of a persons life add some "flesh" to that persons
>>> history.
>>>
>>> So along this line it would be interesting to have some list discussion
>>> on
>>> the following idea for a new TIGS project.
>>>
>>> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, Conn., I attended mass at
>>> St.
>>> Mary's Church and spent some time reading the various inscriptions on
>>> the
>>> stained glass windows. Lots of information on these memorials. Family
>>> names,
>>> individual names of family members, some dates of death, etc. I
>>> thought
>>> then
>>> that this would be an interesting idea for a TIGS data base on the
>>> various
>>> memorials in Troy area churches. If your families ancestors scrimped
>>> and
>>> saved
>>> to donate a church memorial which carries the family name wouldn't; you
>>> like
>>> to know about it? Does this information add "flesh" to that ancestors
>>> bones?
>>>
>>> As many list members know, over the years Troy has seen Holy Trinity
>>> Church,
>>> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean deBaptiste Church all closed. If
>>> there
>>> were family names on memorials in these churches are they still there or
>>> have they been removed? I know the names from my family's church, St.
>>> Michael's, are long gone as the original building was destroyed by fire
>>> in
>>> the 1970's.
>>>
>>> With the recent announcement of the possible closing of the following
>>> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with our ancestors names will
>>> be lost?
>>>
>>> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times Union:
>>>
>>> St. Mary's Church
>>> St. Paul the Apostle Church
>>> St. Peter's Church
>>> St. Francis de Sales Church
>>> St. William's Church
>>> St. Patrick's Church
>>>
>>> So, if any list members have any thoughts on this idea, pro or con,
>>> they
>>> are
>>> invited to post their comments to the list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bill McGrath
>>> TIGS Project Coordinator
>>> Clifton Park, NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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