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From: "Andrea Sharp" <>
Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Marrage records; Henry Banks
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:37:20 -0500
In-Reply-To: <005801c97337$56f0b1a0$ab839543@Tipperary>

Thanks Terry I always love help!

Elizabeth shows in the Deed Book in troy for the property on 15th Street in
1867. Then shows on their daughter Mary's marriage certificate, and on
their children's John T., Michael, and George's death certificates. Mary
died in the Poughkeepsie mental Hospital and gives Annie as her Mother but I
know that is not true. So, I know she was around I have Elizabeth's last
mane spelled a few ways and none of them clearly, Peckman, Peckingham and so
on. I don't know how far back St. May's cemetery goes back, but I am
thinking that I cannot find any records of here there; I may look in Mt. Ida
Cemetery for her. If anyone knows how I can find any early records for Mt.
Ida please let me know.

I know John, Michael, Mary and George were born in NYC, I have no idea
where? My Grandfather always said they came up from Staten Island but I
don't think that is true. I am at a loss on how to find these birth records
in NYC. Any ideas?


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:]On Behalf Of Theresa Bora
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Marrage records; Henry Banks

Hi Andrea. I haven't seen any replies to your post. I can't answer your
first question. I suppose a man could call a woman his 'wife', but it
wouldn't make it legal if they really weren't married. I'd be willing to try
to help you sort out all this info if you want me to. A quick look at some
of the censuses shows Henry and Ann/Annie already in Troy with four children
in the off-year 1875 Troy census. No street names are given in that census.
They appear again in the 1880 US census at the 15th St. address in Troy with
four children. The 1900 US census shows them still at 15th St., although
two of the sons are no longer listed. I don't know where this Elizabeth
fits in. I'd be interested to know what records you have. Let me know if
you want me to help you. Terry in Mich.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Sharp" <>

>I need some help in understanding marriage recording.
> My question is regarding 2nd marriages back in the 1800. If a man was a
> widower could he take a "wife" with out the legal or church marriage and
> call a woman his wife?
> Here is the situation.
> Henry Banks to the US 1851 from Ireland, stayed in NYC until 1876 when he
> came to Troy
> Records show at that time he was married to Elizabeth Peckman (?spelling)
> I have records of them having 4 children while in NYC, and show
> Henry and Elizabeth buying the property on 15th street together in 1876.
> Then in the 1900 census I have Henry with Annie McGowan, as wife with the
> same 4 kids. I have no records of any burial for Elizabeth with all of
> the
> Bank's family being buried at St. Mary's. The other strange thing is when
> they list how long Henry and Annie had been married in the 1900 census
> they
> listed 40 years, doing the math it does not work.>>>>>>>
> >
> Thanks,
> Andrea


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