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From: Carol <>
Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Cohoes and Watervliet
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:33:21 +0000
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I have a question, in the 1860's where was what is now know as Cohoes.



meaning when I search the census, is it possible before it was called Cohoes could part of it have been in Watervliet?













Carol



> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:35:35 -0400
> From:
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Irish dual Citizenship
>
> Just to qualify....all of my ancestry is Irish....I can find nothing else!
> However most of my ancestors born in Ireland were great-great grandparents
> who arrived prior to the birth of my great-grandparents who were mostly born
> between 1860 and 1870 --- all in New York.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:31 PM, <> wrote:
>
> > I have only 1 of my great-grandparents that was from Ireland....(all of the
> > rest born here) and I was able to get Dual Citizenship. It took about 6
> > months.
> >
> > The way I was able to get it was a unique situation. My father applied for
> > his Dual Citizenship in 1978. Prior to 1986 the date of citizenship was the
> > earlier of the date of the initial citizenship act (in 1956) or the date of
> > the filing -- and any children born after the effective citizenship date
> > could not apply for citizenship. In 1986, as I understand it, there was a
> > change and the effective date became the date of the actual filing and only
> > children born after the filing could apply for citizenship.
> >
> > I was born after 1956 and my father received his dual citizenship in 1978
> > so his effective date was in 1956. Four of my 7 siblings were born prior to
> > 1956 and they are not eligible to apply for dual citizenship. I have not
> > yet applied for a passport as I really don't have a lot of opportunities to
> > travel but it's on my "to-do" list!
> >
> > I think of my dual citizenship as a way to honor my father, who passed away
> > in 1980, and my ancestors. He visited Ireland on his one and only trip in
> > 1979. He had started to research his very interesting family and, lucky for
> > me, he had everything very neatly organized in a family history file. This
> > is how I started my search in 2003.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:55 PM, jeanne <> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Listers,
> >> This is very interesting...I have my dual Citizenship with Ireland. My
> >> grandmother was born there and came with her parents to Troy in 1891. So I
> >> qualified under the current "grandparent" rule. I also have my Irish
> >> Passport. One thing I learned; it depends on where you live on how long that
> >> process takes. Since I live in the Midwest, I had to go through the Chicago
> >> Irish Consulate, and they tell you up front that particular Consulate takes
> >> the longest. I think it took me from start to getting my citizenship then
> >> passport about 1& 1/2 yrs. If you live in New York or Boston - it's not such
> >> a long wait. Also it takes time to get all the certified originals they
> >> require. Most of the long forms you have to have for your grandparents &
> >> parents marriage, birth /death records are more expensive to order than the
> >> short forms. Then you have to send it all Registered Mail. It was not way
> >> over the top expensive, but it adds up. I will add it was worth every penny!
> >> I did this to honor m!
> >> y grandmother and my ancestors! Very interesting they are going to add a
> >> generation - with requirements!
> >> jeanne in kc
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Bradford H Miter <>
> >> >Sent: Jun 1, 2009 1:30 PM
> >> >To:
> >> >Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Irish dual Citizenship
> >> >
> >> >Jeanne Keefe wishes to pass on this article to the TIGS list.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >This came through on the County Waterford list and I thought it might be
> >> >of interest to some of our members.
> >> >Jeanne
> >> >
> >> >Posted originally by Janet Crawford:
> >> >
> >> >I don't know how many people have seen this, but dual citizenship can
> >> >now go
> >> >back to a GREAT-grandparent with a caveat:: (I have no idea what
> >> >"considerable time" or "studying" means - a .pfd download here, I think
> >> >http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000113)
> >> >
> >> >17/3/2009
> >> >
> >> >Taoiseach announces new proposal to make it easier for U.S. citizens
> >> >with
> >> >Irish ancestry to gain an Irish passport.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >An Taoiseach Brian Cowen delivered a speech last week at the American
> >> >Irish
> >> >Historical Society on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. During it he proposed
> >> >measures to make it easier for United States citizens to claim Irish
> >> >citizenship which will reverse a decision that the Irish government took
> >> >in
> >> >2005. "The connections between Ireland and America remain strong," Mr.
> >> >Cowen
> >> >said, "but we cannot take them for granted."
> >> >
> >> >Under the current law the most distant ancestor that an American could
> >> >claim
> >> >and still qualify for Irish citizenship is a grandparent. This new
> >> >proposal
> >> >to allow Americans whose nearest Irish ancestor is a great-grandparent
> >> >to
> >> >qualify for citizenship, ***provided that they have spent considerable
> >> >time
> >> >studying or working in Ireland***, will open the possibility of Irish
> >> >citizen to many people. "There are an awful lot of Irish-Americans who
> >> >feel
> >> >very cut off by the 'grandfather rule,' " said Niall O'Dowd, the former
> >> >chairman of the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform and a founder of the
> >> >Irish Voice newspaper in New York. "This would open up Irish citizenship
> >> >to
> >> >a whole new generation of Irish-Americans."
> >> >
> >> >To obtain an Irish passport, you must become an Irish citizen. As United
> >> >
> >> >States citizens may hold dual citizenship they do not need to give up
> >> >their
> >> >American citizenship in order to claim Irish citizenship.
> >> >
> >> >Who currently qualifies to hold an Irish passport:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone born in Ireland prior to 1 January 2005 is an Irish citizen,
> >> >except
> >> >children of parents holding diplomatic immunity in Ireland. The subject
> >> >becomes a bit more complex for anyone born in Ireland after 1 January
> >> >2005
> >> >as the citizenship and residency history of both parents becomes
> >> >relevant.
> >> >Anyone born outside Ireland whose father or mother was an Irish citizen
> >> >at
> >> >the time of the child's birth, is an Irish citizen.
> >> >If you have at least one grandparent who was an Irish citizen, the law
> >> >infers that your parent was an Irish citizen due to his or her parent's
> >> >citizenship and therefore you have a right to become an Irish citizen
> >> >based
> >> >on your parent's citizenship. At this time, only a grandparent's
> >> >citizenship
> >> >is recognized; you cannot apply for Irish citizenship based upon earlier
> >> >
> >> >generations. However this is where the change is now proposed.
> >> >If none of the above criteria can be met, citizenship is not automatic
> >> >and
> >> >must be acquired through application. Irish citizenship and a passport
> >> >are
> >> >possible for anyone with at least one grandparent who was an Irish
> >> >citizen.
> >> >However, an application must be made and documentation submitted.
> >> >
> >> >Documents relating to the APPLICANT:
> >> >
> >> >Full civil birth certificate (including details of parents);
> >> >Civil marriage certificate (if applicable);
> >> >Copy of current passport or identity document;
> >> >Two photographs of applicant (signed and dated by the witness from
> >> >Section E
> >> >on application form);
> >> >Copy of Identification (If a child does not hold a current passport then
> >> >a
> >> >school report or letter from the school will suffice);
> >> >Proof of Address;
> >> >Application form completed in full;
> >> >Appropriate fee.
> >> >Documents relating to the PARENT (through whom citizenship is claimed):
> >> >(These certificates MUST be included)
> >> >
> >> >Full civil birth certificate (including details of parents);
> >> >Civil marriage certificate (if applicable);
> >> >Copy of current passport or identity document, if alive, or death
> >> >certificate;
> >> >If application relates to a minor, parent must supply proof of address;
> >> >If parent has been naturalized or obtained foreign birth registration,
> >> >original certificates must accompany the application.
> >> >Documents relating to the GRANDPARENT BORN IN IRELAND from whom
> >> >citizenship
> >> >is claimed:
> >> >
> >> >Full civil birth certificate if born after 1864, otherwise a baptismal
> >> >certificate; together with proof that no civil registration exists;
> >> >Civil marriage certificate (if applicable);
> >> >Copy of current passport or identity document, if alive, or death
> >> >certificate;
> >> >It should be noted that additional information may be requested in
> >> >support
> >> >of the application.
> >> >
> >> >Where the person to be registered is under 18 years, the declarant
> >> >(parent)
> >> >must sign the declaration on the application form and provide two of
> >> >his/her
> >> >own photographs(signed and dated by the witness from Section E of the
> >> >application form).
> >> >
> >> >Further information can be found on the Department of Foreign Affairs
> >> >website at http://www.foreignaffairs.gov.ie/home/index.aspx?id=267
> >> >
> >> >From: http://www.irish-roots.ie/view-details.asp?NewsID=106
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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