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From: "Stewart Baldwin" <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] Rudds / Slaidburn, Lancashire / c1600s
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:35:42 -0500


Jeff Palmer <> wrote:

>While in Slaidburn recently, I reviewed a series of will abstracts
presented
>in “Slaidburn and Bowland Wills & Administrations, Volume 2,” by
Chris
>Spencer, April 2000 hoping to backup the “Stackhouse...” line, i.e.:

I have not seen this book, and I would be interested in looking at it
with regard to families other than the Rudds (Hayhurst, Turner, Waln,
etc.). Do you have the full publication data on that book (or series
of books)?

>Will #1: “Abstract of the Will of Edward Rudd of Knowhouse,
husbandman,
>1664”
> [From V 48 f 525]
> Will made 26 December 1664
> Mentions daughters Ellen, Jane, Dorothy Rudd and Mary Rudd;
also
>Thomas Bond of Mostard and John Bond, elder son of Thomas, "when he
is 21."
> Specifies "Dorothy Rudd and Mary Rudd whole executrixes and
in
>performance hereof I declare them in full possession of Knowhouse."
>
>Note 1: Will #1 fits nicely with the Rudd line as presented in
>“Stackhouse...” (although its mention of the additional daughter
Ellen
>suggests that the “Stackhouse...” line may have been derived from an
>independent source).


The fact that Ellen is not mentioned suggests that the Stackhouse book
used one of the standard American references (like McCracken's
"Welcome Claimants") that generally mention only the three daughters
with American connections. The Slaidburn Bishop's Transcripts for
1640 show two marriages of women named Ellen Rudd: to Anthonie Hooson
on 16 August and to Robert Wallbancke on 25 November. Since Ellen was
evidently the eldest daughter, this could be about the time that she
married. The second marriage of Edward's daughter Jane (Rudd) Waln to
William Birkit took place at the house of a certain Robert Walbancke,
suggesting quite strongly that this Wallbancke-Rudd marriage was that
of Edward's daughter. (Unfortunately, Edward Rudd chose to make things
hard on us by not giving the married names of his daughters.)

>Additional questions to you and to the list:


>2. According to the above, the will of Oliver Rudde was "dated ...
1562,
>proved ... 1572..." Is this correct or a typo? It seems unusual
that the
>will would have been written 10 1/2 years before being proved.


On closer inspection, the date of the will is 1572 (with a loop
connecting the 7 to the 2 that makes it look like 1562 at first
glance).

>3. What, if anything, does the Oliver Rudd will say about, or
bequeath to,
>Thomas, John and/or Steven Rudd? (If they are referred to as
"husbandman"
>or are bequeathed livestock, that might reinforce speculation that
they are
>the individuals mentioned in the Hurlington will.)

The will is short enough to transcribe in full (capitalization as
given in the will, with expanded contractions or accidently omitted
letters in brackets):

In the name of god amen Anno d[o]m[ini] 1572 the seventhe day of
Aprill I Oliver Rudde seicke in bodie hooll of minde and of good
memorie I make this my last will and Testamente in man[ner] and fourme
Folowinge Firste I give and bequeath my soull to god allmightie the
Father of heaven and my bodie to be buried in the Church yearde of
saint Andrewe at slaidburne It[e]m I give to giles bound mo [sic] good
brother xxs It[e]m I give to Thom[a]s Rudde xiijs iiijd It[e]m I give
to John Rudde one whie stirke It[e]m I give to Richard Wharffe ijs
iiijd And the Reste of my goods yf anie leave I give yt to Thom[a]s
Rudd James Rudde Steven Rudde and John Rudd my depts and Fun[er]all
expens[e]s to be paid and discharged I maike Thomas Rudd and John Rudd
myne executors to se my depts paid and this my last will executed and
Fulfilled witness[e]s umfray hurlington Rob[er]te Turner John Turn[er]
w[i]t[h] other[s]

For those not at home with the monetary abbreviations, they translate
as follows:
xxs = 20 shillings
xiijs iiijd = 13 shillings, 4 pence
ijs iiijd = 2 shillings, 4 pence


>5. Where is "Knowlemeare"? Despite the hints of its location
described in
>Note 3 above, I'm unable to locate it on a map. Also, I'm curious
about the
>semantic difference between "Knowlemeare" and "Knowhouse".


Knowlmere is a manor a few miles southwest of Slaidburn. It is even
closer to Newton, being west and a little south of Newton. I'm not
sure about the difference between Knowlmere and Knowhouse. (The
latter could be the name of a specific house owned by the manor, but
that is just a guess.)

>6. Where is "Bosden"? Google hits seem to place it in
not-too-distant
>Cheshire, but it doesn't seem to appear on maps.


I see a "Boarsden" about half way between Knowlemere and Newton.

Stewart Baldwin


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